i saw a presentation of mix 2010 that announced the new orchard cms. "Orchard is a free, open source, community-focused project aimed at
delivering applications and reusable components on the ASP.NET platform".
its built on mvc 2.0 and look nice and powerful, although it in
early
stage. i know that competition is good for everyone, but as a developer
i found that it can be also problem - the community don't have
"infinite"
resources - to build modules, themes, etc. i know that umbraco 5 will
be build on mvc too (and hopfully will includes improvements in the
backend UI). but now, a lot of people maybe gonna turn to
orchard, for example. and that's mean less modules and less themes for
umbraco. i know that microsoft said that they want to built a quality
set of modules for umbraco. but from the other hand, they now cause
that's a lot of developers and companies will be focused in orchard,
for example.
i think that the .net community should invest in 2,3 cms max and
build strong set of tools for the choose ones. look for example at
wordpress and expressionengine -
there is lot of site that offers modules and themes for them. there is
almost zero sites that offers quality robust modules and themes for
.net
open source cms's. i think that this is the evidence that the .net
community failed for now at the mission to offer powerful yet cheap
cm's. (and
by the way, i think that the price of the commercial version of umbraco
is way too high. why for example expressionengine cost only 259$ for
the
commercial version? they offer not less powerful cms than umbraco, and
sometimes even better (especially the backend UI for my opinion). how
i
can convince my client to choose umbraco and pay much more for the full
featured version? (Specially when the microsoft hosting is usually more
expensive than the linux hosting, at least in my country).
I'm .net programmer for few years now and I'm love Microsoft
technologies,
but sometimes i just don't understand.. in the last few years i see
major improvements and great applications in the php world that also in
affordable prices, but the Microsoft related products are still
expensive and there is no one major leading cms. (i dont want monopoly
or just one cms.. i just sometimes jealous for example in the wordpress
developer that can choose between thousands of themes,plugins, books,
screencasts, etc).
by the way, i love umbraco and i believe in it. i write this things because i care.
I would love to Umbraco move the way of modules like the php Concrete5. It's super easy for advanced content managers to control the templates / presentation without any code changes.
Ehm no leading CMS at the .NET platform? I am using EpiServer, Sitecore and Tridion, which are all .NET and pretty sure that they are in the top 10 of leading content management systems. And expensive? You can use Umbraco with free products like Sql and Visual Studio Express.
The good think about Umbraco and other .NET content management systems (at least the one i mentioned) above, is that they are all pretty easy to extend, also the performance is good, my expierence with PHP based frameworks is that they do not perform very well, not to mention the lack of security.
SiteCore might be up there, I don't know Tridion, but EpiServer is just a local product. If you're talking Scandinavia, EpiServer might be on the list too, but internationally, no way.
And both SiteCore and EpiServer are asp.net web forms based, as far as I know there are no "major" asp.net mvc based content management platforms just yet.
What people seem to forget is that asp.net web forms based systems might not have many modules made for the particular system, but with the amount of usercontrols out there, you're more than covered. Yes, then you might need to do a bit of code to get your data into the control, but that doesn't take a hardcore developer to do that.
This will probably also be the reason why people will keep using asp.net web forms based systems over asp.net mvc system.
the new orchard cms and thought about umbraco
i saw a presentation of mix 2010 that announced the new orchard cms. "Orchard is a free, open source, community-focused project aimed at delivering applications and reusable components on the ASP.NET platform".
its built on mvc 2.0 and look nice and powerful, although it in early stage. i know that competition is good for everyone, but as a developer i found that it can be also problem - the community don't have "infinite" resources - to build modules, themes, etc. i know that umbraco 5 will be build on mvc too (and hopfully will includes improvements in the backend UI). but now, a lot of people maybe gonna turn to orchard, for example. and that's mean less modules and less themes for umbraco. i know that microsoft said that they want to built a quality set of modules for umbraco. but from the other hand, they now cause that's a lot of developers and companies will be focused in orchard, for example.
i think that the .net community should invest in 2,3 cms max and build strong set of tools for the choose ones. look for example at wordpress and expressionengine - there is lot of site that offers modules and themes for them. there is almost zero sites that offers quality robust modules and themes for .net open source cms's. i think that this is the evidence that the .net community failed for now at the mission to offer powerful yet cheap cm's. (and by the way, i think that the price of the commercial version of umbraco is way too high. why for example expressionengine cost only 259$ for the commercial version? they offer not less powerful cms than umbraco, and sometimes even better (especially the backend UI for my opinion). how i can convince my client to choose umbraco and pay much more for the full featured version? (Specially when the microsoft hosting is usually more expensive than the linux hosting, at least in my country).
I'm .net programmer for few years now and I'm love Microsoft technologies, but sometimes i just don't understand.. in the last few years i see major improvements and great applications in the php world that also in affordable prices, but the Microsoft related products are still expensive and there is no one major leading cms. (i dont want monopoly or just one cms.. i just sometimes jealous for example in the wordpress developer that can choose between thousands of themes,plugins, books, screencasts, etc).
by the way, i love umbraco and i believe in it. i write this things because i care.
thanks.
Eran.
I would love to Umbraco move the way of modules like the php Concrete5. It's super easy for advanced content managers to control the templates / presentation without any code changes.
Ehm no leading CMS at the .NET platform? I am using EpiServer, Sitecore and Tridion, which are all .NET and pretty sure that they are in the top 10 of leading content management systems. And expensive? You can use Umbraco with free products like Sql and Visual Studio Express.
The good think about Umbraco and other .NET content management systems (at least the one i mentioned) above, is that they are all pretty easy to extend, also the performance is good, my expierence with PHP based frameworks is that they do not perform very well, not to mention the lack of security.
SiteCore might be up there, I don't know Tridion, but EpiServer is just a local product. If you're talking Scandinavia, EpiServer might be on the list too, but internationally, no way.
And both SiteCore and EpiServer are asp.net web forms based, as far as I know there are no "major" asp.net mvc based content management platforms just yet.
What people seem to forget is that asp.net web forms based systems might not have many modules made for the particular system, but with the amount of usercontrols out there, you're more than covered. Yes, then you might need to do a bit of code to get your data into the control, but that doesn't take a hardcore developer to do that.
This will probably also be the reason why people will keep using asp.net web forms based systems over asp.net mvc system.
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