The tab order is not being preserved, from the package, it doesn't look like umbraco (4.7.1) is saving the tab order from the site, so when the package is created, the tabs are just in any old order.
Being from Liverpool too, it's great to see you releasing this package! (and that liverpool.gov.uk is in the process of being converted to Umbraco too - I some background in Tridion also).
You are right about the tab order - the package installer does not maintain those values.
That is bloody awesome great to see finally public sector (I know there are some NHS trusts out there) getting into Umbraco. Ps I did help of a proposal todo some work years ago on liverpool.gov site we didnt get the job. Im hoping due to current financial climate more public sector moving to Umbraco. I may need to get back into developing my ipsv data type again which also in theory should handle other meta data formats for public sector ;-}
Herefordshire Council are using Umbraco to rebuild the council website and many related sites. Investigations and work have been underway for around 9-12 months with plans to go live a beta version towards the end of this year and reworking the beta for a July launch.
I'm really keen to build this package and others into a more complete suite of tools for LocalGov, if you've got things you think would contribute we could work putting stuff together ?
This starter kit is great! I've spent a few hours looking at it and really like the approach you have taken!
We have been trying to push umbraco as a viable solution for public sector clients for some time. As such we have been working on a similar project for the last 8 months.
We have taken a different approach by creating a set of packages that can be used to provide some functionality commonly required on these types of sites.
We have (today) finally released some of these packages, although it's clear that there is an overlap to a degree, we feel that some of these packages could complement your starter kit and we would be more than happy to share these with you. It would also be great to catch up and and share ideas as it seems we have both an interest in this area.
We are going to be at the UK umbraco Fest in London on the 4th - Are you going?
Cool - shame about the 4th, maybe we'll catch up sometime at a local umb event! let us know how you get on with the packages or have any questions. Likewise, I'll continue to have a look at the starter kit and put together some feedback.
This is pretty cool our site at sthelens.gov.uk is currently being re-written using umbraco and it's nice to see that other local authorities are considering using this to.
I'm going to be there on Friday so would be good to chat. Previous roles i have done quite a few public sector sites however its always been with paid cms's would really like to see umbraco make more headway.
Ismail, that would be cool - will keep a watch out for you on the day. Im also going to be hanging around for a little while afterwards so could maybe speak then if not in the day.
Hi Kevin thanks for the reply, No not yet but i will try that today, will also try setting it up on an older verison of umbraco instead of 6.
Also do you know of any public sector websites that are built on umbraco? We have been using umbraco for all our sub sites at Merthyr and are looking to rebuild our corporate site on umbraco as well just wondering if anyone has rebuilt there corporeate sites yet using it have found some but just wondering if there were anymore
Cheers for mentioning new.shropshire.gov.uk - we're quite proud of it & the new content due to go live soon, and we've got Kevin to thank for getting us started with Umbraco too! :)
Addendum - We have fixed the issue with no code appearing in the templates by making the following change to the config/umbracosettings.config file to tell Umbraco to use Mvc:
Hi. Thought I'd have a look at this as a possible starting point for an NHS site I need to develop. We are using version 4.11.10
First time I tried to install the package I got an error message. The 2nd time it seemed to install ok - I can view and change things in the admin system.
However when trying to run the site I get the following error
CS1061: 'Umbraco.Web.UmbracoHelper' does not contain a definition for 'TypedContentAtXPath' and no extension method 'TypedContentAtXPath' accepting a first argument of type 'Umbraco.Web.UmbracoHelper' could be found
The offending line of code is
Line 23: var allNews = Umbraco.TypedContentAtXPath("//ulgNewsItem")
Any ideas - have I missed something in the setup or configuration? Have already changed the default rendering engine to MVC in the config file
If your stuck with 4.11.x I would suggest you have a dev version of 6.1 running and copy any bits you think you want into a 4.11.x install - that way you can catch any version stuff as you need it - you might find the v6.1 stuff is in a bit of the kit you don't need.
the other download (uLocalGov_2.0rc.zip) should run on umbraco 4.x but its not an MVC based solution, it's a bit older and only here as a reference really.
We've received some advice that 4.11.10 is a good choice for being the last really stable release, and has more packages. Not sure how widely that view is shared. We'd rather wait until v 7 settles down a bit so our choice is between 4 and 6 atm
yes - just starting to look at it doing an update to the package and there are some dependencies on other packages that we need to check - but we priobibly will do something with a Umbraco 7 version when we do it.
The Umbraco 7 version of the LocalGov Starter Kit is now here
It's slightly simpler which means it works better as a package :)
I've separated out a few things because the packager doesn't like it when you do to many things at once, but this version seems to work well (except for a slight bug with the map picker) - would be good if you have time to take a look.
Works with 7.0.3 and 7.0.4 (haven't tested it with 7.0.2 but just install the latest anyway)
I have just installed your Kit on umbraco 7.0.4 and installation went smoothly.
When i publish the site I get the following:
System.InvalidOperationException: The partial view 'SectionPageBlock' was not found or no view engine supports the searched locations. The following locations were searched: ~/Views/RenderMvc/SectionPageBlock.aspx
..........
It seems I don't have any partial views and other sublevels views?
yes, usync's job is to take the DB settings and put them onto the disk, so you can file sync across sites - so uSync doesn't actually copy the partial views or view files - it only does the bits of umbraco that have a database element - so that is
document types, media types, macros (definitions), data types, dictionary items, languages, stylesheets, templates
so as well as usync folder you will need to copy (at least) the follwing folders
Sorry for the stupid question. I am really a Umbraco newbie and I am trying to convince my boss to use Umbraco instead of Tridion here at Centralbeds Council.
I am trying to build a proof of concept with your Kit.
Thank you for the support. This is all new to me and I am really exited about the all Umbraco world.
I will try to copy the files from your solution and see what's happen. I am still not really clear on how to do it but I will try.
but im more stupid because i just answered a starter kit question with a usync response (i was in the wrong forum :) -
the starter kit should just work - but i updated it yesterday if you are still having problems try the v3.1 from the archive
if you are still having issues there is a online demo http://umblocalgov.jumoo.co.uk - if you drop me an email ([email protected]) i can set you up a demo user so you can have a poke around that.
yes i got confused by your question you should ignore all that copy stuff
you can try the previous version of the package http://our.umbraco.org/FileDownload?id=10527. I will double check the latest version works on 7.0.4 (i was updating it for the soon to be released 7.1 and might have missed something)
I did some work on the kit - and I think the biggest issue is because it attempts to create the basic site layout during the package install.
for choice and well because i can - i have updated the kit so it installs and then offers you the opportunity to import the LGNL or SGNL website structures - this means you don't have to put a whole site structure into the kit if you don't want to. and it separates the kit and the navigation.
I haven't downloaded the most current yet so maybe you already picked it up (or maybe it's just me) but in 3.3, in the Site Design template, on line 13 I found:
yeah thanks for the spot - i think it got inadvertently solved in the latest version because i put some ClientDependancy stuff in and simplified that bit of css.
The site I'm working on will use images at the top of key pages, some with color and/or text overlays. Since you've done such an elegant job of structuring this kit to inherit properties, it seems a shame to start slapping nearly identical properties on each individual doctype that needs one.
I was thinking about maybe breaking the 'Page' structure down a bit more, maybe branching off below it into 'Fancy' and 'Plain' or some such, but that also seems kludgy. Do you have any suggestions?
Depending on the number of properties i would be inclined to add them to the doctype - i would be reluctant to separate the doctypes up for images and colours, i would look at how much of that stuff you want the content editors to actually control and if its something that is going to be controlled at an individual page or more of a page area?
the section homepage doctype/template does a bit of that because they have secondary style sheets that are then applied to them and all pages underneath - this allows you to apply different styles to distinct sections of the site.
if it's more about individual page customizations I would be inclined to add them to a new tab on the relevant doctype - so that they don't get in the way of editors that don't need them.
having said all that there is no reason you can't put a more granular structure in the doctype tree,but you've just go to be wary of how quickly that can grow - not just for you developing it but for the amount of choices your going to be giving content editors.
Wise council, Kevin, thank you. This is for probably section pages, landing pages and some notable project pages (roughly equivelant to the event items). The idea is to shade out a portion of the image and overlay that with a few choice words of meaningful influence. Since all of those pages and most others will have top images but not all would get the overlay treatment, I think I'll go with adding an image/media picker property to the content doctype's content tab, and also a new imagry tab with the overlay properties there as well, so it's available if they need it but not in the way of the daily grind.
Known Issues
Things we know are wrong.
The tab order is not being preserved, from the package, it doesn't look like umbraco (4.7.1) is saving the tab order from the site, so when the package is created, the tabs are just in any old order.
Hi Kevin,
Being from Liverpool too, it's great to see you releasing this package! (and that liverpool.gov.uk is in the process of being converted to Umbraco too - I some background in Tridion also).
You are right about the tab order - the package installer does not maintain those values.
Cheers, Lee.
Lee,Kevin,
That is bloody awesome great to see finally public sector (I know there are some NHS trusts out there) getting into Umbraco. Ps I did help of a proposal todo some work years ago on liverpool.gov site we didnt get the job. Im hoping due to current financial climate more public sector moving to Umbraco. I may need to get back into developing my ipsv data type again which also in theory should handle other meta data formats for public sector ;-}
Regards
Ismail
Herefordshire Council are using Umbraco to rebuild the council website and many related sites. Investigations and work have been underway for around 9-12 months with plans to go live a beta version towards the end of this year and reworking the beta for a July launch.
Cheers,
Ed
Thats great,
I'm really keen to build this package and others into a more complete suite of tools for LocalGov, if you've got things you think would contribute we could work putting stuff together ?
- Kevin
Hi Kevin,
This starter kit is great! I've spent a few hours looking at it and really like the approach you have taken!
We have been trying to push umbraco as a viable solution for public sector clients for some time. As such we have been working on a similar project for the last 8 months.
We have taken a different approach by creating a set of packages that can be used to provide some functionality commonly required on these types of sites.
We have (today) finally released some of these packages, although it's clear that there is an overlap to a degree, we feel that some of these packages could complement your starter kit and we would be more than happy to share these with you. It would also be great to catch up and and share ideas as it seems we have both an interest in this area.
We are going to be at the UK umbraco Fest in London on the 4th - Are you going?
Adam
definitely going to go of and build a site with both in - I'm not a big IPSV fan, but I think that's a big boon for many
can't make the 4th :( worse luck.
This is pretty cool our site at sthelens.gov.uk is currently being re-written using umbraco and it's nice to see that other local authorities are
considering using this to.
Adam,
I'm going to be there on Friday so would be good to chat. Previous roles i have done quite a few public sector sites however its always been with paid cms's would really like to see umbraco make more headway.
Regards
Ismail
Ismail, that would be cool - will keep a watch out for you on the day. Im also going to be hanging around for a little while afterwards so could maybe speak then if not in the day.
Adam
Hi Kevin just installed the local gov starter kit to have a playaround with but have a slight issue, for some reason im getting the following error
Error loading MacroEngine script (file: uLocGov.Menu.MegaMenu.cshtml) any suggestions what could be casuing the error?
Cheers
Hywel
Hi Hywel.
have you tried adding ?umbdebugshowtrace=true this will get umbraco do put debugging info on the screen, there might be some clues in that ?
if you cut and paste some of the debug trace here i might be able to spot what's doing it.
Hi Kevin thanks for the reply,
No not yet but i will try that today, will also try setting it up on an older verison of umbraco instead of 6.
Also do you know of any public sector websites that are built on umbraco?
We have been using umbraco for all our sub sites at Merthyr and are looking to rebuild our corporate site on umbraco as well just wondering if anyone has rebuilt there corporeate sites yet using it have found some but just wondering if there were anymore
http://new.shropshire.gov.uk/
http://www.ystrad-mynach.ac.uk/
http://www.nelacademy.nhs.uk/
http://www.neas.nhs.uk/
Cheers
Hywel
Hi Hywel,
The responses to one of Niels Hartvig's tweets contain a few other examples of public sector websites using Umbraco... https://twitter.com/umbraco/status/270895299386548226
Cheers for mentioning new.shropshire.gov.uk - we're quite proud of it & the new content due to go live soon, and we've got Kevin to thank for getting us started with Umbraco too! :)
Hi Kevin
Just came across this package for a few Council sites we are building.
It looks great, and really contains a lot of useful features.
Just one thing - when installing it we came across the issue of not being able to view the content of the Master-Pages from within the admin section.
Any idea why this may be occurring? I can provide more information if required but I wanted to check any known possibilties first.
Thanks
Emma
Addendum - We have fixed the issue with no code appearing in the templates by making the following change to the config/umbracosettings.config file to tell Umbraco to use Mvc:
MvcdefaultRenderingEngine>
Thanks!
Emma
Hi. Thought I'd have a look at this as a possible starting point for an NHS site I need to develop. We are using version 4.11.10
First time I tried to install the package I got an error message. The 2nd time it seemed to install ok - I can view and change things in the admin system.
However when trying to run the site I get the following error
CS1061: 'Umbraco.Web.UmbracoHelper' does not contain a definition for 'TypedContentAtXPath' and no extension method 'TypedContentAtXPath' accepting a first argument of type 'Umbraco.Web.UmbracoHelper' could be found
The offending line of code is
Line 23: var allNews = Umbraco.TypedContentAtXPath("//ulgNewsItem")
Any ideas - have I missed something in the setup or configuration? Have already changed the default rendering engine to MVC in the config file
Hi - the MVC starter kit was written for Umbraco 6.1 - so most of these errors will be because of the slight changes between the versions.
TypedContentAtXPath is a function added in umbraco v6.1 (it solved this problem - http://our.umbraco.org/forum/developers/razor/42491-Find-nodes-by-doc-type-and-list-properties )
If your stuck with 4.11.x I would suggest you have a dev version of 6.1 running and copy any bits you think you want into a 4.11.x install - that way you can catch any version stuff as you need it - you might find the v6.1 stuff is in a bit of the kit you don't need.
the other download (uLocalGov_2.0rc.zip) should run on umbraco 4.x but its not an MVC based solution, it's a bit older and only here as a reference really.
Thanks for the info - will try this out on v 6.
We've received some advice that 4.11.10 is a good choice for being the last really stable release, and has more packages. Not sure how widely that view is shared. We'd rather wait until v 7 settles down a bit so our choice is between 4 and 6 atm
cheers
I would say v6.1 is rock solid now - there isn't actually a huge jump between v4 and v6 - but 6 does have nicer mvc and razor support.
Early days I know, are you looking at doing a version of ulocalgov for Umbraco7
yes - just starting to look at it doing an update to the package and there are some dependencies on other packages that we need to check - but we priobibly will do something with a Umbraco 7 version when we do it.
Great news like the site localgov site and have customer that likes the fact that umbraco7 is tablet friendly for backend edits.
The Umbraco 7 version of the LocalGov Starter Kit is now here
It's slightly simpler which means it works better as a package :)
I've separated out a few things because the packager doesn't like it when you do to many things at once, but this version seems to work well (except for a slight bug with the map picker) - would be good if you have time to take a look.
Works with 7.0.3 and 7.0.4 (haven't tested it with 7.0.2 but just install the latest anyway)
Kevin
Hi Kevin,
This is a really good package. Great job.
However I have a problem getting the site on.
I have just installed your Kit on umbraco 7.0.4 and installation went smoothly.
When i publish the site I get the following:
System.InvalidOperationException: The partial view 'SectionPageBlock' was not found or no view engine supports the searched locations. The following locations were searched:
~/Views/RenderMvc/SectionPageBlock.aspx
..........
It seems I don't have any partial views and other sublevels views?
Do I do anything wrong?
Ciao,
Marco
Hi Marco
yes, usync's job is to take the DB settings and put them onto the disk, so you can file sync across sites - so uSync doesn't actually copy the partial views or view files - it only does the bits of umbraco that have a database element - so that is
document types, media types, macros (definitions), data types, dictionary items, languages, stylesheets, templates
so as well as usync folder you will need to copy (at least) the follwing folders
css, scripts, templates, views, macroscripts, usercontrols, xslt
*while usync does templates and stylesheets - it does the DB bit of them, the file based bit of them you will still want to copy over.
Hi Kevin,
Thank you for your prompt reply.
Sorry for the stupid question. I am really a Umbraco newbie and I am trying to convince my boss to use Umbraco instead of Tridion here at Centralbeds Council.
I am trying to build a proof of concept with your Kit.
Thank you for the support. This is all new to me and I am really exited about the all Umbraco world.
I will try to copy the files from your solution and see what's happen. I am still not really clear on how to do it but I will try.
Ciao,
Marco
Hi Kevin,
Sorry but I am struggling to get it right.
Is there a tutorial to follow to understand how to install a package from scratch into umbraco from a VS solution?
OK,
but im more stupid because i just answered a starter kit question with a usync response (i was in the wrong forum :) -
the starter kit should just work - but i updated it yesterday if you are still having problems try the v3.1 from the archive
if you are still having issues there is a online demo http://umblocalgov.jumoo.co.uk - if you drop me an email ([email protected]) i can set you up a demo user so you can have a poke around that.
HI Marco,
yes i got confused by your question you should ignore all that copy stuff
you can try the previous version of the package http://our.umbraco.org/FileDownload?id=10527. I will double check the latest version works on 7.0.4 (i was updating it for the soon to be released 7.1 and might have missed something)
Kevin
Thanks Kevin.
I will try 3.1 version and see if I can get it working.
So do I ignore to copy the files over for PartialViews, ....?
yes ignore my copy files thing the package should just work on a fresh umbraco install
Hi
I did some work on the kit - and I think the biggest issue is because it attempts to create the basic site layout during the package install.
for choice and well because i can - i have updated the kit so it installs and then offers you the opportunity to import the LGNL or SGNL website structures - this means you don't have to put a whole site structure into the kit if you don't want to. and it separates the kit and the navigation.
http://our.umbraco.org/FileDownload?id=10730
tested on 7.1 works really nicely.
I haven't downloaded the most current yet so maybe you already picked it up (or maybe it's just me) but in 3.3, in the Site Design template, on line 13 I found:
and I think it should be:
with a '&' instead of a '@'.
yeah thanks for the spot - i think it got inadvertently solved in the latest version because i put some ClientDependancy stuff in and simplified that bit of css.
Oh boy, Christmas! Looking into clientdependency was coming up on my list and there it is under the tree. Sweet!
Hi again Kevin,
The site I'm working on will use images at the top of key pages, some with color and/or text overlays. Since you've done such an elegant job of structuring this kit to inherit properties, it seems a shame to start slapping nearly identical properties on each individual doctype that needs one.
I was thinking about maybe breaking the 'Page' structure down a bit more, maybe branching off below it into 'Fancy' and 'Plain' or some such, but that also seems kludgy. Do you have any suggestions?
Matthew
Depending on the number of properties i would be inclined to add them to the doctype - i would be reluctant to separate the doctypes up for images and colours, i would look at how much of that stuff you want the content editors to actually control and if its something that is going to be controlled at an individual page or more of a page area?
the section homepage doctype/template does a bit of that because they have secondary style sheets that are then applied to them and all pages underneath - this allows you to apply different styles to distinct sections of the site.
if it's more about individual page customizations I would be inclined to add them to a new tab on the relevant doctype - so that they don't get in the way of editors that don't need them.
having said all that there is no reason you can't put a more granular structure in the doctype tree,but you've just go to be wary of how quickly that can grow - not just for you developing it but for the amount of choices your going to be giving content editors.
Wise council, Kevin, thank you. This is for probably section pages, landing pages and some notable project pages (roughly equivelant to the event items). The idea is to shade out a portion of the image and overlay that with a few choice words of meaningful influence. Since all of those pages and most others will have top images but not all would get the overlay treatment, I think I'll go with adding an image/media picker property to the content doctype's content tab, and also a new imagry tab with the overlay properties there as well, so it's available if they need it but not in the way of the daily grind.
If you get a
for http://xxx/font/fontawesome-webfont.woff?v=3.0.1
go into IIS and add the .woff extension with a MIME type of
noticed there seems to be two of these at the top of SectionPageBlock.cshtml:
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