1)
I miss the opportunity (when logged in as administrator) to be able to create a node from all document types (not using the allowed child nodetypes). Actually the same opportinty as you have when you are on the 'content'-node.
2)
I also miss the opportunity (in the content tree) to override the 'default template' on certain nodes. F.ex. I have a document type called 'Special' - and wherever I use this document type I will override the default template and choose different templates for each node. In that case, I dont have to create a document type for each 'special'-page.
Does any of this exist in Umbraco?? It does in Sitecore, and It's quite useful :-)
1/ I disagree. It's to keep 'unexperienced' users from creating documents at the wrong place as this could have side effects on the front-end. For example, listing all news items under a specific node would become really useless if you'd allow users to create products items. It just doesn't make sense from a practical and logical point of view.
2/ I tend to agree on this one. It would be nice to be able to specify another non default template when creating a new document. It doesn't exist at the moment, but if users scream hard enough (and make a feature request on Codeplex first), changes are the core team will pick it up.
1) I see your points and actually I agree. But when you are logged in as an administrator I think that this should be an option. Working with Sitecore, this has been pretty helpfuld for me...
[quote=mipnet]I have two questions regarding 'document types'.
1)
I miss the opportunity (when logged in as administrator) to be able to create a node from all document types (not using the allowed child nodetypes). Actually the same opportinty as you have when you are on the 'content'-node.
2)
I also miss the opportunity (in the content tree) to override the 'default template' on certain nodes. F.ex. I have a document type called 'Special' - and wherever I use this document type I will override the default template and choose different templates for each node. In that case, I dont have to create a document type for each 'special'-page.
Does any of this exist in Umbraco?? It does in Sitecore, and It's quite useful :-)[/quote]
I too do recognize these issues.
The way I always has solved issue no 1 was temporarily allowing the document type as a child, create the child and then disallow it as child. A few extra steps indeed, but the need does not arise that often according to my experience, and almost only during initial site structure creation.
But it still would be a nice feature I think for administrators. Normal users should not be administrators anyway so it should not risk to ruin a carefully crafted site structure. And of course it should be some kind of warning, maybe a checkbox that needed to be checked to load also unallowed doc types in the dropdown.
If it is not core material, the question arises: Is the create dialog extendable without core modification?
If not, this could probably be solved by extending the right click menu with a new menu item and a custom create dialog.
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I have two questions regarding 'document types'.
1)
I miss the opportunity (when logged in as administrator) to be able to create a node from all document types (not using the allowed child nodetypes). Actually the same opportinty as you have when you are on the 'content'-node.
2)
I also miss the opportunity (in the content tree) to override the 'default template' on certain nodes. F.ex. I have a document type called 'Special' - and wherever I use this document type I will override the default template and choose different templates for each node. In that case, I dont have to create a document type for each 'special'-page.
Does any of this exist in Umbraco?? It does in Sitecore, and It's quite useful :-)
Hi,
1/ I disagree. It's to keep 'unexperienced' users from creating documents at the wrong place as this could have side effects on the front-end. For example, listing all news items under a specific node would become really useless if you'd allow users to create products items. It just doesn't make sense from a practical and logical point of view.
2/ I tend to agree on this one. It would be nice to be able to specify another non default template when creating a new document. It doesn't exist at the moment, but if users scream hard enough (and make a feature request on Codeplex first), changes are the core team will pick it up.
Thanks for your input.
Regards,
/Dirk
hey dirk,
thanks for your thoughts.
1) I see your points and actually I agree. But when you are logged in as an administrator I think that this should be an option. Working with Sitecore, this has been pretty helpfuld for me...
2) Okay, I will make a suggestion at codeplex
[quote=mipnet]I have two questions regarding 'document types'.
1)
I miss the opportunity (when logged in as administrator) to be able to create a node from all document types (not using the allowed child nodetypes). Actually the same opportinty as you have when you are on the 'content'-node.
2)
I also miss the opportunity (in the content tree) to override the 'default template' on certain nodes. F.ex. I have a document type called 'Special' - and wherever I use this document type I will override the default template and choose different templates for each node. In that case, I dont have to create a document type for each 'special'-page.
Does any of this exist in Umbraco?? It does in Sitecore, and It's quite useful :-)[/quote]
I too do recognize these issues.
The way I always has solved issue no 1 was temporarily allowing the document type as a child, create the child and then disallow it as child. A few extra steps indeed, but the need does not arise that often according to my experience, and almost only during initial site structure creation.
But it still would be a nice feature I think for administrators. Normal users should not be administrators anyway so it should not risk to ruin a carefully crafted site structure. And of course it should be some kind of warning, maybe a checkbox that needed to be checked to load also unallowed doc types in the dropdown.
If it is not core material, the question arises: Is the create dialog extendable without core modification?
If not, this could probably be solved by extending the right click menu with a new menu item and a custom create dialog.
Something similar could solve issue no 2.
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